Dear Frederic,
Let me first congratulate for your fantastic synthesis, great words, clear description. I love your perception of bioenergetics for body-mind unity as parallel to bioenergetics for society(country, economy)-nature unity, I feel it very similar.
If I may add something then I would like to redirect to my other post that I have recently posted (Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:41 pm - http://www.lowenfoundation.com/lowenfor ... .php?t=116). Basically there in my posts up to the last one, is described one of the engines that are driving current illusion state that your are pointing as a reason for depression.
Considering my positive examples in my posts, and also your words, western world is living a lunatic illusion life of totally misguided oral-narcissistic-oedipal personality (I need, I deserve to have, I am the one that will have, price doesn?t matter ? all 3 mentioned expressed in transference onto power expressed in material status and social status possession).
Life in illusion must collapse sooner or later as gap between reality and illusion grows in time and potential energy for collapse grows, pure engineering:). The consequence of that collapse, in general, is for organism benefit (body, country, society, economical organism) as function of that collapse is to get back by more or less painful way to reality, to unity (body-mind, culture-nature, humans being life style-nature laws), means when you let go you will reunion and illusion stops, reality comes to life, future performance leads to joy and fulfillment as life in mind-body, society-nature unions brings.
Simply speaking going back after a collapse from illusion state to reality by healthy way is performed by letting go, by giving up illusion state, then energy driving illusion is stopped and redirected into more healthy way of being (out of illusion state). It happens during therapy as pain of living in illusion state is joy killer, life force hijacking agent, so from a point of view of organism (body organism, economical organism, society organism) must be stopped as one that hijacks main resources, as one that is stopping organism development, is bending natural development direction, is using in pervasive way most important functions (both for body functions like breathing, eating, sexual functions and for society like honesty, dignity, respect for nature...), and threatening future existence of the affected organism (as well person as society). As I said that give up of illusion happens during therapy, as therapist is providing necessary support in passing thru ego overwhelming fears that were driving primary illusion state and were guarding their preservation, so they (ego fears) can be reworked and dissolved as skeleton in wardrobe from the past is not scary anymore when seen on the outside.
On the other hand we have unhealthy way to deal with collapse after illusion which is depression.
Depression is a result of life in illusion state, hold by ego (culture, society) due to the fears, and also due to that fears, illusion is not going to be given up. Fears are stronger than healthy voice of the organism so sooner or later organism destruction, slow collapse occurs as organism can not confront life in illusion against reality. Energy that would might stop that sad direction is used up in destructive, pervasive behavior or frozen in depressed condition due to ego fears, functions feeding energy are impacted (on body level breathing, eating, movement, reaching out, on society level - spiritual values, dignity, honesty, feelings expression and respect for the nature, attention for a nature, reaching out for a nature).
General function of depression is healthy considering circumstances ? I would describe it as a low energy organism status that prevents from continuation of illusion by cutting of energy supply for ego ventures so removing physical possibility to perform illusion by removing energy necessary to continue illusion.
That effect is somehow healthy as continuing illusion state performance is too painful and risky from the body point of view (organism) so energy driving illusion is withdrawn by lowering all body metabolism on basic chemical level (so chemistry at beginning can help when dealing with depression), breathing eating reaching out are affected.
Illusion however is preserved in mind as right status quo, driven by fear of past experience, but thanks to depression illusion doesn?t have energy resources to be continued in reality and illusion performance is stopped or significantly reduced, organism is saved from consequences of illusion continuation (like depression in economy stops economical illusion performance).
Why organism is using depression to avoid living in illusion ? living illusion life in confrontation with reality from body (organism, economy, country, society) point of view is too painful and/or too destructive for organism so can hijack organism existence, however that pain is denied by ego which is sitting in golden cage, is living ?life in the box?, there is no conscious way to stop that pain, so to lower that pain, depression is introduced.
As a result of depression, body exposure to pain is lowered as illusion performance stops thanks to depression introduced in body as self defending mechanism. We have typical stalemate situation ? ego is upset as it can not put illusion into life as there is no force to do that, body is upset as reaching out for higher energy level is enforcing ego illusion performance instead of ego healthy performance (as ego in fear keeps its illusion alive, as letting go is a fear of insanity and fear of death (life)), so is enforcing pervasive usage of body energy instead increasing natural full of joy and fulfillment performance of the body-mind activity. And as a result of that stalemate situation we have a depression.
How similar is above description to our current economic (social, environmental) situation!
Lets put in bullet points:
1. Lack of awareness typical for narcissistic-oral-oedipal culture performance where illusion of possession and power brings illusion of immortality of ego, illusion of oedipal domination, illusion of oral safety, provides domination of power and possession over culture, society, economy main directions development
2. Lack of consciousness that letting go mentioned society unhealthy performance directions can be heeling and are in best interest of society, economy, nation, humans. Fears that have (like in case of every human being) its roots in experienced in earlier history trauma, of every nation, economy, person, society etc are preserved: typical oral fears (lack of resources and fulfillment in reaching for them), narcissistic fears (lack of possibility of performing life in harmony with environment without being punished by neighborhood nation (economy, society?) for that), oedipal fears (lack of possibility to let go as it means death of nation as it means being conquered by other nation, economy, society).
So we are suffering on multilevel units of organization but especially on corporations level fears of being conquered, dominated and enslaved by others, fears of loosing safety, resources to dominate, even resources to control and rule over own society, resources and economy:
o Typical schizoid (narcissistic) illusion condition ? if I let go I have anarchy in my economy, nation, society!!!
o Typical oedipal illusion condition ? if I let go I will be killed, conquered, death!!!
o Typical oral illusion condition ? if I let go I will die due to lack of resources, I need them more and more and now!!!
And even if all above is not up to date for nations then it is very much transferred to the banks and corporations existence politics, unfortunately, it is on global not national scale so a failure range is similar. But are they wrong by behaving in that crazy way?
As well known from psychology, fears are a trauma remaining resulted from individuality crash with a culture (lack of love). During heeling process built awareness about trauma makes it clear that primary natural reaching out for joy and fulfillment by letting go for natural instincts following voice of freedom, of free self expression was horribly punished in case of oral and especially oedipal period by overwhelming power of naturally stronger parent, he instead taking care about such characteristic values for a new organism like (with a great potential for development): softness, delicateness and gentleness and, basically considered in oedipal point of view as weakness, strong ability to let go, have attacked this as it was easy to conquer. As a result pervasive struggle for power in order to reestablish possibilities was created, but as a result of that power only fears are enforced. So going back to nations history and currently to corporations reality, are they not right by being afraid? Are they not right by struggling for power? All past experience is making them doing so, in past lack of power was equal to extinction of nation by conquering by more powerful from a side (for me great counterexample is European Union where looking for unity and helping in weakness is equaling a chances of less developed regions, it is beautiful and it is very human approach). For modern corporation the situation is as following: lack of power and you are done, our present casino capitalism free market will kill you. If compared to person in the therapy, they have perfect background for fears as past have learned them, they have overwhelming oedipal competition from all sides, they are like 3rd generations of monkeys in a cage, they are punished for every lack of attention or carelessness if doing something just out of fun, just for fulfillment other needs than power, they are punished by 2nd generation of monkeys however 2nd generation doesn't know why doing so as 1st is not existing in a cage anymore. They don't know that it is a way to extinction. They don't know that in fact they will develop much more by unity and cooperation, they will reach for fulfillment expressing their best in society by taking a part in creation of that society human and nature friendly working environment in this way. But to know that therapy is needed to get to the therapy failure is needed and self awareness of the condition at least. About last two our economy is working on now.
And as free market and competition between corporations leads to tailoring of products and optimization of ways of production which in general is good as it is very much the same as evolution process in natural environment, but current potential of money flows from Banks is like very strong and violent strike into natural evolution process, large capital is currently like god, can go everywhere, anytime, and do anything with economy, free market, society, nation, corporation, so can interrupt on every level natural evolution process, can interrupt democracy and this is what we see on global scale - societies are no more a part of a ownership of their world, ownership is reserved to very narrow area of the owners like kings in past, they are using resources as efficiently as possible for income intensification but effect is devastating: devaluation of work value, devaluation of freedom, constant consumption illusion support is strongly performed, and societies are robbed from their historical possessions like place on earth, resources, environment - the price is total lack of balance between heart values and ego values, the price is societies enslavement, they are like productive pigs, they may consume as much as they want, in fact the more they consume the better, the heavier pig in the end it will be, the bigger income it will provide. This situation was a reason for revolutions in the past, as revolution occurs when illusion force is not strong enough to support status quo, currently illusions sported by status quo are preserving in democratic way a status quo and by the same token illusions are standing for big part of driving forces of free market evolution now.
Above two points are so far preserving condition to provide depression:
Strong illusion state performed on every development line leading to pervasive society construction where honesty, dignity, true, heart values are not important anymore because of power and money, leading to exhaust of resources as reality does not count, and finally as a result leading to collapse.
There is no let go on the horizon, as there is no basic awareness, and therapist that may help to overcome a fears is not welcomed as narcissism is excluding religion, faith any spirituality, as oedipal complex is removing past generations and history wisdom, as oral problem is removing possibility to listen mother nature about real resources and real balances needed ? so where to learn ? no way for a reflection, no way for an awareness increase, no way to support let go of ego on any level: society, economy, nation, person.
3. If there is no let go, no awareness, nor a therapist involved, so fears are preserving illusions, leading to enormous pain in health of economy, society, nations, natural resources, and from time to time depression as mechanism of organism (economy, society, nation, nature) saving that cuts of supplies for illusion performance must occur and then:
4. Economy, society, nation staying on unconscious level in fears is trying to overcome depression first signs, as depression is removing driving force for illusion performance so entire economy, society, nation is loosing its artificial aim, its pervasive sense of being, its golden cage fantastic performance, and starts to taste bitter and toxic consequences of pushing illusion to reality, there is no more fun, no more success, resources are not multiplying, driving force for this artificial life activity is stopped and what now? Society is lost, is frozen and scared waiting and looking for improvement.
5. What you do when you feel something that you don?t want to feel, best idea - stop feeling (again bioenergetics) ? reach for well known and validated in past drug to get high, to loose again touch with reality, to discharge energy once again as discharging activity brings relieve as every addicted to anything person know when performing its addiction (later on comes hungover but in case of nature devastation not necessary current generation will pay a bill for this), in case of economy, not to feel depression means to end it by artificial stimulation of the market - voila: credits, false money are most welcome, everything is again superb, feel good!!!
6. By repeating point 5 general structure and skeleton of the system is overloaded and in one point collapse resulting from constant illusion performance must occur, there is a final depression coming, there is a point that maybe we are now. Drug even if it is 800bilions of pumped dollars by FED is still too weak to remove a collapse (maybe it removes a feeling ??all the fed can do is put out pillows and cushions??, and could be important even to stand up from knees as for a person in strong depressive state). Depression does not go away, as system is affected till its roots. What now?
7. As we know there are mostly 3 exits from depression commonly taken by persons affected:
Suicide (in case of economy take golden shoot of artificial money (credits, money production) then die)
Living in depression state for years with very small peaks from time to time, means stagnation of person development (nation, economy) and risk of being overtaken by others in our humans oedipal world is growing, then outburst of aggression in false hope of efficient reaching out is experienced (see Germany after 1st war, false hope of Hitler driving illusion about German power driven by ego fears of totally betrayed and abused Germans by their Bismarck way of bringing up, and their reach out from depression with oedipal fears preserved, expressed as 2nd world war performance (see Alice Miller book)) ? that is typical for nervous breakdown where depression line is broken but fears not removed
Therapy due to painful collapse (as instead depression there was a nervous breakdown and therapist needed or suicide risk recognized and ask for help is performed as beginning of let go process) or due to heavy life in depressed state
So we are in depression without asking for a therapist means our western world is balancing between suicide, nervous breakdown and followed that impulses need for a therapy.
How to commit economical suicide in present situation is quite clear.
How to commit economical, social, national, global nervous breakdown is also quite clear from history of humans
There are in my opinion only 2 questions:
1. Will we go for a therapy as risk of suicide or nervous breakdown will be recognized or we will be begging for therapy when dieing of suicide or nervous breakdown consequences?
2. If we go for a therapy how it should look like?
1st question is more to politics and nations awareness, we will see how it goes, we have enough experience form history and enough knowledge to positively resolve it but it requires global approach then national and corporations economical ego fears must be removed by therapist like friendly environment (by friendly I mean the one that is out of oral and oedipal fears stimulation) but it requires a let go of status quo, at least mentally - as in performance, let go may occur only as successful therapy event.
2nd question is partially solved in first one:
Generally person in depression when in therapy must built self awareness about his condition and reasons, be convinced toward dropping an illusion and let go for feelings when working with a body in order to increase its energy level and ability to reach out for efficient actions toward fulfillment. So translating this to economy (society, nation): self awareness, collective will towards improvement expressed in democratic choice, and work upon organism itself as is humans world of economy etc itself, letting go of previous behaviors as they are toxic and driven by illusion, start to believe that those new directions are an efficient, not experienced in past history effort toward new level of fulfillment that is aligned with reality and brings joy.
I have never thought like that before but Frederic I think I must say that the only solution is a kind of globalization in form that we have in case of European Union performance or theoretical U.S nation construction. If nations are joined in delivering their best on shared marked and they are not focused in conquering, dominating, enslaving the other nations then week periods can be supported and recognized as development phases not killing phases. Simply speaking by removing oral and oedipal compensation form economical directions between nations we can remove that fears and then therapy can be efficient as fears from history are indeed from history, as skeleton in wardrobe, they don?t stand as a reality anymore.
OK, but what if we have in parallel free market and competition, that nowadays have a face of turbo and casino capitalism, where income, turnover and power expressed in possession are totally holly values, and organizations and corporations are standing above a law and are crating a law as they are multinational organizations with power expressed in money bigger than many countries can dream about? What to do if we have global corporations and they are behaving exactly opposite to any humanistic direction: or I kill all competition or I own all competition, anyway I must fight with them constantly to survive, and on very top of that we have banks that can stimulate and crate economical environment only for income despite a price, periodical income as generation of owners and managers are counting frequently only their managing times. To me current money speculations market that brings massive incomes for nothing (there is no work behind it, only possession and manipulation by using possession) are the most sophisticated and tailored mechanisms expressing oedipal issue in reality of nations, societies, economies and unfortunately they have a resources to perform.
Where it can lead to: corruption in politics ? democracy depravation ? enslavement of societies ? robber of natural resources till the deepest level as food and place on earth are.
Where we can break it ? exactly in the same place where we have started it ? clear politics standing for people, fair law that utilizes massive incomes for society benefit, and as a result of fulfillment of the needs of self aware society, removal of historical oral and oedipal fears, and as a result of that sustainable development in society-nature unity, so by removing body-mind split of human nation. Difficult part is that strength of democracy is partially reverse of strength of illusion, by dropping illusion we have a real democracy.
Is democratic voice of people a sign of that high awareness expressed in voting to Obama, or in voting for European Union existence? Possible it is. Democratic voice of people have another advantage. I do believe in People, as in general collective ego is maybe rotten but we as a humans nation have also collective heart, and even if our culture is dominated by oedipal issue, in the same culture, in the underground flows The River (for US citizens the same as in Bruce Springsteen song), there are strong and effective in performance our feelings, our dreams expressed from deepest levels of our hearts, in reality it is just a matter of discovering, uncovering, allowing to flow, removing a contraction (again bioenergetics parallel), and it is so visible when this process happens on massive scale, when masses of people are believing Yes We Can, when masses of people are crying on spectacular movies like Lord of The Rings where week heart part is unavoidably winning over super power and super stiff and super evil part of ego but it requires an effort and courage and suffering on the way to that aim, our constitutions however sometimes full of empty words considering our performance, in fact are full of respect toward heart values, our religion systems are about love and peace, our art is about heart, life, world beauty and about a sadness due to lost of that beauty and longing for that beauty expressed by heart suffering, all those values that are standing against this rotten ego world, and they are alive, they just need to be listened, and to listen to be convinced on ego level our selfawarness must grow, it happens unfortunately only thru a failure experience, but then sometimes delicate and so subtle signal can be a start of huge energy waterfall that falls down and changes everything like in good therapeutic session where potential of years of work and suffering and experiencing a failure is finally released as a breakthrough that changes everything (as my cultural background, I have many examples from Christianity history even from modern times, but I am sure every culture in this world have many that examples), we have seen this in history many times already, (sometimes those breakthrough are violent as anger due to realizing past betrayal is) and every this case increase entire human nation selfawarness sometimes with a potential of ?poque change.
As your father wrote not once, he spent his life in trying to diminish mentioned body-mind split as much as possible. I think, that split due to human nature (see my post: from Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:58 pm http://www.lowenfoundation.com/lowenfor ... .php?t=116) is not possible to be removed completely but one of the greatest achievements of bioenergetics to me, is that, it is proved thanks to bioenergetics: you don?t need to remove that split, you must be aware of that split and to repair consequences of that split you must let go, means go to your body (phisical body of person, society, economy etc) when failure occurs as failure is a best teacher and indicator of a split existence in your behavior and activity, and your body then is a best guide in reality as body existence as every existence is bounded with reality and its condition is suffering when illusion is performed over him and heart knows about it, that can lead you to illusion give up. That lessons are allowing to avoid a failure repeat, and in particular case of western society, it is important to study out of the failure as in my opinion oedipal fate supported by fear of death which is driving corporations and especially financial institutions and banks politics, leads to their unavoidable extinction, and they hold quite a piece of nowadays world in their hands.
If we have a failure now then it is perfect healing opportunity for economy, will it go to the body as body for economy to me is represented by honesty, respect to humanistic values and laws and finally and maybe most important respect to hard work and property gained by this hard work. We will see, that is a great development opportunity for modern democracy and even if democracy will pass that test, then politics have very ambitious task to perform.
My kindest regards,
