Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[sushil_yadav]

Industrial Society is speeding up the demise of ecosystems by providing jobs to all - education to all.

After Industrial Revolution work turned into extra work, over work, unnecessary work, destructive work.

Most of the people living in cities are engaged in the destructive cycle of
production of consumer goods, selling of consumer goods, buying of
consumer goods.This planet is very small - just 40,000 km in
circumference. Today 50% of world population is living in cities - and
this percentage is increasing day by day.

Provide jobs to all?
Provide education to all? - oh yes, provide jobs/education to all and
very soon the human species will go out of existence.

The entire education system is promoting consumerism, extra work, over work, unnecessary work, destructive work.

People who are getting education in technology/ engineering.... are engaged in production of consumer goods.

People who are getting education in the fields of business, finance, MBA....are engaged in selling of consumer goods.

Most of the people getting education in Arts subjects are also engaged in
selling of consumer goods and services - sales and marketing jobs.

If we destroy ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter, health-care the ecosystems will last longer. If we destroy ecosystems for consumer goods in addition to food, clothing, shelter, health-care the ecosystems will finish much sooner.

Industrial Society has destroyed necessary things [animals, trees, air, water,land] for making unnecessary things [consumer goods].

By providing jobs to all - education to all, Industrial Society is destroying the very things that created and sustained all life on earth for millions of years.

Industrial Society is a curse on this planet.



What would happen to your home if 1000 people entered and started doing work continuously - 24 X 7 - picking up things already lying in the house, breaking them up and making new things out of them without stopping?

A similar thing is happening to the planet - 6.8 billion people
continuously engaging in work - destroying the ecosystems moment by
moment.

Man started destroying "extra" after Industrial Revolution. This "extra"
destruction has risen exponentially in the last 50 years.

Work has turned into overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work. People who are working to provide food, clothing, shelter and healthcare are doing work - rest of the population is engaged in overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work.

Ecosystems are not consumer goods that can be manufactured / created by MultiNational Corporations. Who can undo the damage that has been done to ecosystems by billions of people over a period of 200 - 250 years?



Industrial Society has killed billions of acres of fertile soil by covering it with cement and concrete.This is insanity of the highest degree - insanity raised to the power of infinity.We
have got a very small planet. On this small planet two-thirds of
surface area is water. Only one-third is land - and this includes vast
areas of land that are not fertile - deserts, rocky
mountains, ice/ glaciers. There is very little surface area on
earth which is fertile. It is this fertile soil that has produced food
for millions of species that have lived on land for millions of years. Killing billions of acres of fertile soil is insanity of the highest degree - insanity raised to the power of infinity.The punishment is coming - very soon - punishment of the highest degree - punishment raised to the power of infinity.



"Green Industry", "Green Technology", "Green Development".

These are contradictory terms – these are oxymorons.
Industrialization can never be green – it is impossible.

Industry produces three kinds of waste - solid, liquid and gaseous.

There are only three places on earth where this waste can go - air, water, land.

There is no fourth place on earth where Industrial waste can go.

Industrial Society has produced billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous waste - billions of tonnes of metal waste, chemical waste, plastic waste, eWaste, nuclear waste.........

This waste has killed, polluted and poisoned rivers, lakes, oceans, underground water, the soil/ land, the air/ sky.

Industrialization can never be green – it is impossible.



We have created a society that rapes, plunders and exploits "Mother Earth" 365 days of the year - and then celebrates Earth Day.

When someone destroys the home of a human being it is considered a crime and the accused is sent to prison.

When the human species collectively destroys the homes [ecosystems] of millions of other species it is called Progress, Growth, Development.

The police, the law, the judiciary are trying to catch a few criminals - they do not realize the entire Industrial Society is criminal.

Psychologists and Psychiatrists are trying to classify a few people as abnormal - they do not realize the entire Industrial Society is abnormal.



What is most amazing about the issue of sustainability is the fact that modern society is trying to sustain the unsustainable - it is trying to sustain a consumerist system which has existed for almost zero percent of human existence on earth. The present consumerist lifestyle has existed for about 100 years. If we com...pare this with the total duration of human existence on earth it comes to almost zero percent.

The two things that have destroyed Environment are - Overpopulation and Overconsumerism.

Science, Technology and Industrialization are responsible for both these problems. World population was less than 1 billion in the year 1800. Nature had its way of controlling population through disease and death caused by bacteria and virus. When man made medicines/ antibiotics he created disaster - population increased very rapidly. In the absence of "Industrial Agriculture" the feeding capacity of soil would have kept population under control. If Industrial Revolution had not happened, environmental destruction due to production of consumer goods would not exist. In the absence of Science, Technology and "Industrial Revolution" we would not be facing the two problems that have caused destruction of ecosystems - overpopulation and overconsumerism.

If "Industrial Revolution" had not happened what would be the scenario today?

The feeding capacity of soil would have kept population under control.

Diseases caused by virus and bacteria would have kept population under control.

Maybe I would'nt be existing today - and billions of others may not have existed - but millions/ billions of humans would exist [just like they existed before Industrialization]

Most ecosystems would be hundreds of times/ thousands of times in better shape than today.

Millions of other species that have been decimated by Industrial Society would be existing in very healthy numbers - their population levels thousands of times greater than what they are now.

Providing food, clothing, shelter and healthcare is good. But did "Industrial Society" stop at that?

Do we have an Industrial Society that only provides food, clothing, shelter and healthcare to people?

No - the jokers tried to sell hundreds of consumer goods to all citizens of Industrial Society. They tried to make all people consumerists.

Industrial Society started destroying ecosystems for "consumer goods" in addition to destroying them for food, clothing and shelter.

You cannot do this on a small planet that is just 40,000 km in circumference. If you live this way you end up destroying all ecosystems - you end up decimating all other species - you end up destroying animals, trees, air, water and land - the very things that created and sustained all life on earth.



The earth is sick.

Ecosystems are dying.

Animals, trees, air, water and land are dying.

People say - why bother, it was meant to happen this way, nature will take care of itself.

When people fall sick - they rush to the doctor to save themselves.

When people fall sick - they rush to the hospital to save themselves.

Insane, abnormal, selfish, criminal human species.



Almost every country has been claiming its green cover is increasing.

How can this ever be true?

A fully grown tree is cut down in seconds/ minutes.

It takes 20 years for a tree to grow fully.

The rate of destruction of fully grown trees is hundreds of thousands
of times greater than the rate of replacement of fully grown trees.

And only a small percentage of trees that are planted survive to grow into healthy adult trees.

And even if you manage to replace trees how are you going to replace
the population of millions of species of animals, birds and insects
that lived in the forest and died when the forest was cut down.

Secondly where are you planting new trees? You can plant new trees on forest land only if forest land remains forest land.

But this is not the case.

We have got a very small planet whose circumference is just 40,000 km.
On this small planet two-thirds of surface area is water. Included in
the remaining land area are deserts, rocky mountains and glaciers which
do not support vegetation.

If the soil is fertile and gets rain it will grow forests, trees,
plants, vegetation by itself. This is how nature grew all the forests
in this world.

Before the arrival of man all the land that could grow forests had forests on it.

Then the genius human species arrived on the scene.

First he cut down forests for fire, then he cut down forests for
agriculture and villages. After Industrial Revolution forests were cut
down for towns and cities, for setting up industries/ factories, for
mining and extraction of raw material/minerals, for railways, for road
network.

So once the forest is cut down the land is taken up for agriculture,
for cattle grazing, for industry, for towns and cities, for rail and
road network.

So where are the new trees being planted? Where are they growing up?

How can green cover ever increase?

Lies, lies, lies .........blatant lies.

The rate of destruction of forests has risen exponentially after Industrial Revolution.

One can know the truth by comparing the satellite pictures of forests taken 30 years ago with the pictures taken this year.



Why did God create the insane human species that is ready to do
everything for the wrong cause and nothing for the right cause – a
species which is willing to do everything to destroy the ecosystems and
nothing to save the ecosystems.

Man is ready to kill and get killed for religion, for country, for honour, for power, for money and fame - But not for environment.

Millions have been killed over trivial issues and causes.
Millions have died for trivial issues and causes.

How many people have died for environment? How many people have died for
the most important / precious things on earth – animals, trees, air,
water and land – the very things that created and sustained all life on
earth.

Most of the ecosystems are already gone. The
little that remains is dying moment by moment. The situation is
extremely critical but the human response is limited to the same old
insanity – bring this technology, bring that technology - bring this technology, bring that technology.

Environmentalism has failed.
Environmentalism never existed.
It was Pseudo-Environmentalism all the way.


When 3000 people died in World Trade Center collapse the west was outraged - Killers, Murderers, Terrorists - they cried out. America vowed to smoke out the culprits - attacked Afghanistan, flattened the country and killed hundreds of thousands of people [directly or indirectly].

When American company "Union Carbide"... killed 20,000 people in Bhopal, India the same desire for justice was not shown by the west.

Why? - Is this not killing, murder, terrorism?

There are hundreds of insecticides/ pesticides that are banned in western countries but the west is selling millions of tonnes of these chemicals in asia - leading to millions of deaths [directly or indirectly].

Is this not killing, murder, terrorism?

The west is shipping millions of tonnes of toxic , hazardous waste to asian countries for recycling - leading to millions of deaths [directly or indirectly].

Is this not killing, murder, terrorism?

The Military Industrial Complex has killed millions of people in wars. No terrorist organization has killed that many people.

Industry kills - Industry kills humans, Industry kills animals, Industry kills trees, Industry kills air, Industry kills water, Industry kills land.

Industry is the killer - Industry is the murderer - Industry is the
terrorist.



Destruction of ecosystems will soon lead to collapse of Industrial Society.

Humans have decimated millions of other species - very soon it will be the turn of Humans to get decimated.

But even decimation of humans will not save ecosystems - only a total wipe-out of humans will save ecosystems.

If a few million humans survive they will again try to build another Industrial Society because they have seen such a society.

Only human extinction will work.

When the human species appears again there must be no memory of Industrialization and consumerism left in the human brain.

It would be best if the human species never ever appears on the planet again.


This planet can only sustain societies that produce their own food.

This planet cannot sustain societies that do not produce their own food.

Everyone in this world is eating food.

But everyone in this world is not producing food.

Today 50% of world population is living in cities. This population is not producing food. A society that does not produce its own food creates unnecessary work to keep itself occupied. People would go crazy if this unnecessary work is not created. A city-based/ non-farming society is mostly engaged in production and selling of consumer goods and services. Work turns into over-work, extra work, destructive work.

When society produces its own food it destroys ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter.

When society does not produce its own food it destroys ecosystems for "consumer goods" in addition to food, clothing, shelter.

Cities existed before Industrial Revolution but their destructive impact was very little because they were not producing consumer goods that are being made today.

We can never save environment if we are destroying extra - We can never save environment if we destroy it for "consumer goods" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

It is impossible to save environment as long as cities exist.

It is impossible to save environment if we have societies that do not produce their own food.



Over-exploitation of ecosystems became possible only due to modern technology/ machines.

In the absence of modern technology/ machines it would be impossible for man to destroy all ecosystems.

If modern technology/ machines had not come into existence man would
have probably destroyed some ecosystems on land [forests] - and that
too at a much slower rate than that of the present Industrial Society.

It would have been impossible for man to destroy ecosystems in the sea/ oceans.

It would have been impossible for man to carry out largescale mining
activity and destroy ecosystems on the surface and deep inside the
earth.

It would have been impossible for man to poison the earth with thousands of toxic chemicals.

It would have been impossible for man to generate billions of tonnes of
solid, liquid and gaseous waste that has poisoned the air, water and
land - the entire planet.

It would have been impossible for man to generate billions of tonnes of
metal waste, plastic waste, eWaste, nuclear waste...... that has
poisoned the entire planet.

The Machine has killed all ecosystems.

It is impossible to save the remaining ecosystems as long as the machine exists.

The Machine will devour everything that remains on earth.

Machine is the killer.

Kill the machine.



The shameless, insane, abnormal and criminal human species
gets alarmed only when other species are about to go extinct – not before. And
even this late concern is fake - how could it ever be real.

The crime happens much before extinction of species. The tragedy happens much
before extinction of species.

This planet was made for millions of species - not for man alone.

The crime/ tragedy happened much earlier than extinction when man decimated all
other species.

The crime/ tragedy happened much earlier when the population of each species
dropped from millions to thousands and hundreds.

How would humans feel if the roles were reversed and the following happened.

All the animals of the world join hands to decimate the human species.

Humans are outraged , they cry out - killers, murderers, criminals, terrorists.

The animals say - "what are you complaining about?".

We are so compassionate - we did'nt kill all of you.

You should be grateful that we did'nt make you extinct.

There are 10 of you still alive on every continent.



Jobs or Environment?

Economy or Environment?

These are the questions that are being asked today.

This is insanity raised to the power of infinity.

Do we need to discuss, debate and argue for 100 years to know the answer?

Do we need to do research for 100 years to know the answer?

What would be the response of this genius society if professional killers said - you should not stop us from killing people - if you do that you are taking away our jobs.

Jobs are killing ecosystems, work is killing ecosystems, economy is killing ecosystems - work has turned into overwork, unnecessary work, extra work, destructive work.

Industrial Society is destroying necessary things [animals, trees, air, water, land] for making unnecessary things [consumer goods].

Without environment humans will not even exist.

Without environment millions of other species will not exist.

We are alive because of nature - we owe our very existence to nature.

But this insane, abnormal and criminal "Industrial Society" continues to choose jobs instead of environment - economy instead of environment.

Insanity raised to the power of infinity.



Out of millions of species the human species is the only species which is insane enough to believe that food comes from money.

Millions of other species have lived on earth for millions of years. Their food did not come from money.

Food does not come from money - food comes from nature - food grows because of nature - food exists because of fertile soil, water, air, sunlight.......

Industrial Society has killed, polluted, poisoned the very things that produce food.

You can load trillions of dollars into a rocket and send it to the moon - you will not be able to buy a single grain of food over there.

Money is paper, money is plastic - money is not food.

Chief Seattle of the Indian Tribe had warned :

"only after the last tree has been cut down, only after the last river has been poisoned, only after the last fish has been caught, only then will you realize that you cannot eat money"



When is this insane society going to understand that it is not just Industrial accidents that destroy ecosystems - all Industrial activity destroys ecosystems.

The Bhopal gas tragedy killed 20,000 people, crippled half a million people for life, killed thousands of animals and birds, killed/ polluted/ poisoned... the air, water and soil.

Union Carbide was making pesticides/ insecticides in its plant. These carcinogenic insecticides and pesticides are killing millions of people all over the world every year - directly or indirectly. These toxic insecticides and pesticides are poisoning millions of acres of soil every year, These toxic insecticides and pesticides are killing millions of animals and birds every year. These toxic insecticides and pesticides are poisoning the underground and above-ground water sources. These toxic insecticides and pesticides have poisoned the entire food chain leading to multiple organ failure, genetic defects, birth defects.

If the Bhopal Gas Tragedy had not happened the toxic insecticides and pesticides produced by Union Carbide would have still led to destruction of ecosystems, killing of humans, animals, birds, air, water and soil.


Recently there was an oil spill in the sea in US. The oil is killing marine life.

Oil kills ecosystems when it spills into the sea.

Oil kills ecosystems even when it does'nt spill into the sea.

If the oil had not spilled into the sea it would have been used to power ships that move around oceans - catching fish, killing marine life, torturing marine life moment by moment. At any given time there are 50,000 ships moving in the oceans.

If the oil had not spilled it would have been used to run millions of cars, other vehicles, aeroplanes - whose exhausts would release millions of tonnes of toxic gases into the atmosphere. That is not all - ecosystems are killed to manufacture millions of cars, trucks, ships and aeroplanes that run on oil.

If the oil had not spilled into the sea it would have been used to run millions of industries and factories - all of which kill ecosystems - animals, trees, air, water, land.


When we make consumer goods we kill Animals/ Trees, Air/ Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. Industry kills Water. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted.

Industries burn millions of tonnes of fuel and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.

Industrial Society has generated billions of tonnes of hazardous solid, liquid and gaseous waste - billions of tonnes of metal waste, plastic
waste, eWaste, chemical waste, nuclear waste.


When an Industrial accident happens the focus of entire world shifts to it.

All environmentalists are outraged.

As if the environment was in good shape before the accident and will be in good shape after the accident.

The problem is not Industrial accident -the problem is not any particular Industrial accident - the problem is Industry itself.

Industrial accidents will continue to happen as long as Industry exists.

They will only get bigger and bigger.

Bigger the Industry bigger the Industrial accident.


Industry kills ecosystems when there is an Industrial accident.

Industry kills ecosystems even when there is no Industrial accident.

All Industrial activity is an accident.

All Industrial activity destroys ecosystems.

All Industrial activity kills animals, trees, air, water, land.

All Industrial activity leads to environmental crisis, environmental disaster, environmental catastrophe.

It is impossible to save ecosystems as long as industry exists.




Technology has destroyed ecosystems.

But the Techno-Worshippers of this insane Industrial Society want still more technology, new technology, better technology, advanced technology - they claim that technology will save the ecosystems.

Two thousand years ago the air was clean - it was not contaminated with billions of tonnes of toxic Industrial gases and particulate matter.

Which technology made the air clean? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

Two thousand years ago the rivers and oceans were clean - they were not contaminated with billions of tonnes of toxic Industrial waste.

Which technology made the water clean? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

Two thousand years ago the planet was full of forests - millions of species thrived - their population was hundreds and thousands of times greater than what it is now.

Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

Two thousand years ago the oceans were full of fish and other marine species.

Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

Two thousand years ago billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous waste did not exist on this planet.

Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

Two thousand years ago billions of tonnes of metal waste, plastic waste, chemical waste, eWaste, nuclear waste did not exist on this planet.

Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?


Technology does not save ecosystems - it is the absence of technology that saves ecosystems.

Science, technology and industrialization lead to over-exploitation of ecosystems.

Technology is not the saviour of ecosystems - technology is the destroyer of ecosystems.


sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[sushil_yadav]

What is most amazing about the issue of sustainability is the fact that modern society is trying to sustain the unsustainable - it is trying to sustain a consumerist system which has existed for almost zero percent of human existence on earth. The present consumerist lifestyle has existed for about 100 years. If we compare this with the total duration of human existence on earth it comes to almost zero percent.

Economy is a non-issue. Environment is important. Economy will not even exist without environment. Humans will not even exist without environment.

Modern society has plunged to extreme depths of insanity.

Modern society thinks it can be sustainable while it continues producing thousands of consumer goods.

Modern society thinks a peaceul world is possible while it continues to sell billions of tonnes of weapons all over the world.

Modern society thinks cancer can be cured while it continues flooding the ecosystems with thousands of carcinogens.

On a small planet which is just 40,000 km in circumference the first rule of sustainability is - destroy less.

We destroy ecosystems for food - for clothing - for shelter - and for thousands of consumer goods.

The less we destroy - the more sustainable we are.

The fewer things we make - the more sustainable we are.

On a small planet like earth only a non-consumerist society can be sustainable - only a society that destroys ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter[and health care] can be sustainable.



When something goes wrong with our cars, computers and aeroplanes, we contact the manufacturer to know how they could be repaired - where they could be repaired.

All ecosystems on earth are getting destroyed moment by moment. To repair, restore and regenerate them we need to contact the manufacturer. But where is the manufacturer of ecosystems? There is no human manufacturer - There are no multiNational Companies that manufactured rivers and oceans, fertile soil, forests, millions of species, millions of members in millions of species, arctic ice and other glaciers.

About 30 years ago most people refused to believe that arctic ice was melting or could melt in future.

Then satellite pictures started appearing and provided proof with "before and after" pictures. People reluctantly accepted that ice was melting - but were still not alarmed. They said it would take hundreds of years - thousands of years for ice to melt to a dangerous level.

If we compare satellite pictures of arctic ice of this year with those taken 30 years ago we would know how alarming the situation is.

Weather is becoming hotter, irregular and unpredictable across the globe. We have lost most of the forests and a large percentage of ice in Arctic region and glaciers elsewhere. Forests and ice have played a major role in regulating wind speed and direction of wind and monsoon/ rain clouds. Weather patterns were fairly constant for thousands of years. All that is changing now. The summer season is no longer the same as before - winters are not the same and monsoon rains are also no longer the same as before.

In the coming years agriculture is going to collapse worldwide due to change and irregularity of weather. Man has already decimated fish in the oceans. There will be nothing left for man to eat. The human species is going to starve to death. Just wait and see what happens in the next two decades.

Every ecosystem is in grave danger. The doomsday scenario is approaching hundreds of times faster than predicted earlier. The signs - the indicators are already there - the recent climate changes - the extreme weather conditions - droughts, floods, fires, hurricanes and typhoons. The collapse has already happened for millions of other species - they have been decimated. Human collapse is very near - just around the corner.



Very soon science is going to announce the gene for environmental destruction.

Humans are not responsible for environmental destruction - it is the gene.

Humans are not responsible for anything - the genes are responsible for everything.

It is the gene which is responsible for obesity.

It is the gene which is responsible for cancer.

It is the gene which is responsible for violence/ aggression.

It is the gene which is responsible for mental suffering.


When it comes to Olympic medal they will give it to a person - not to the gene.

When it comes to Nobel Prize they will give it to a person - not to the gene.

When it comes to rewarding work they will pay million dollar salary to the CEO - not to the gene.

When it comes to "Theory of Relativity" they will give credit to Einstein - not to the gene.



On earth we have got oceans and oceans of water - which have been polluted/ poisoned by man - but this is hardly news for humans.

Recently Man bombarded the moon with a rocket to discover traces of water - and it became the newspaper headline across the world.

They call it progress, growth, development.

Height of insanity - Height of abnormality.

Don't search for a few molecules of water in outer space.

Take care of the water that is available on earth.



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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[sushil_yadav]

Industrial Society has been spreading blatant lies over the years.

"Green Industry", "Green Technology", "Ethical Consumerism", "Sustainable Development".

These are contradictory terms ? these are oxymorons.
Industrialization can never be green ? it is impossible.

You cannot save a person after you have killed him.
You cannot save ecosystems after you have killed them for making consumer goods.


When we make consumer goods we kill Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted. Industry kills Water.

Industries/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel - and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.


We have limited resources/ ecosystems on earth which is just 40,000 km in circumference.

If we destroy ecosystems for fewer things [food, clothing, shelter] the ecosystems will last longer.

If we destroy ecosystems for more things [consumer goods] the ecosystems will finish much sooner.

The fewer things we make the more sustainable we are.

This is common sense - plain common sense - which the so called smart, intelligent, advanced, civilized and developed Industrial Society does not possess.


We are alive because of ecosystems - we owe our very existence to ecosystems.

Industrial Society has destroyed most ecosystems within a span of 250 years after Industrial Revolution.

Industrial Society has destroyed necessary things [animals, trees, air, water and land] for making unnecessary things [consumer goods].

Ecosystems are not consumer goods that can be manufactured, repaired or restored by MultiNational Companies in industries and factories.

The collapse has already happened for millions of other species. Most of them have been decimated.

Very soon it will be the turn of man to go.


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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[sushil_yadav]

How those who see all this mess can break this tendency if mostly they don't have any resources to do so, and nowadays only resources have a possibility to provide change. How can you perform a change without ownership?

1. If you want to change a direction of that culture, to be heard, to have a potency for a change you must rule
2. to rule you must conquer and become owner
3. but then you are already driving that culture development
and the loop is closed.

This is mostly according to me recipe for neverending split between mind and body in human being raised in our culture.

Rafal

rafalpastuszek,

What you have written is very true. It is indeed very difficult to change the system. It seems we are accelerating on a one way road to disaster.


For several decades environmentalists have been warning modern society that ecosystems are getting destroyed - that consumerist lifestyle is not sustainable.

But modern society which was busy chasing progress, growth and development did not listen. It refused to believe there was any environmental crisis or problem. It said science and technology will always find a solution - if earth gets destroyed we will move on to another planet.

Impossible dreams were sold to people in the name of science and technology.

Moving to another planet would probably rank as the most impossible of all impossible things.

One space shuttle exploded during take off - another exploded on the return journey.

So far man has not been able to go beyond the moon. There is no other life sustaining ecosystem/ planet within the solar system. Outside the solar system planets and galaxies are millions of light years away - billions of light years away.

So when are we moving to a new home ?

Next year - or 5 years later ?


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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[rafalpastuszek]

Dear Sushil_yadav

In western world we are living in oedipal culture or in culture dominated by oedipal complex for about few thousand years already, with all consequences of that fact.

What are the consequences?
Listed in number of books and articles but I will focus on two most important considering pervasive attitude to work it has created.

Possession:
Our culture is preoccupied with possession as possession is illusion of safety and is illusion of power for frightened ego, it is also an illusion of immortality, and by this token it is so clear, it is against every feeling expressing activity as ability to feel is equal with ability to die.

Power:
Our culture is created by ego power, power expressed with money and possession, these are main factors that are stimulating our culture now.

As consequence ownership means creation, creation of material world, working environment, working places, corporations, incomes, studies directions, scientific investigations, advanced manufacturing and engineering..., world of psychology is even afected, and all this if leads only to money making is finally an expression of our oedipal culture.
(however does not have to be as I have written in my above posts, healthy working enviroment providing money for life and gratitude for efforts is also possible and can be also validated by free market).
Also as consequence, avarage western world modern city citizen everyday struggle, due to oedipal complex issue, leads him/her to never ending trying of fulfiling a desire of becaming a master over valuable objects (cars, houses, posibilities etc) - except of very rare cases where passion meets income. Of course on deeper level most of the people on first prioryty puts other people that they love as kids, familly friends, but everyday functioning manner in oedipal culture society cuts off that feelings significiantly well for loosing that prioryties in everyday duties.

Even if you want to change something your impact is very week until you are not an owner, because to change to stimulate changes in our culture you have to be owner, and owners mostly have a tendency for a change but only in one direction, to own in future more than in present time.

Work, sex, eating, breathing are natural joyful and beautiful activities where our mind can meet body joy and connect in it, leading to fulfillment, fullness and unity.

Oedipal complex culture is enslaving all above and using pervasive expression of above (pervasive work, pervasive sex, pervasive eating and pervasive breathing - by pervasive I mean using a function in a way that is not natural for that function and as a result providing failure - driving energy is used but fulfilment not reached) in order to control the strongest natural body functions that are rebellious toward ego domination due to the obvious reasons (ego domination is excluding fulfilment in life and joy in general) - the result is denied conflict and guilt, and on surface control over a body and in general control over a people in order to increase a power expressed in income and possession. Breaking this tendency leads automatically to fear of life and castration anxiety expression (expressed as feeling of lack of power to change as feeling of impotence in activity and as authority anxiety).

My question to you:
Do you see it is not work but pervasive attitude to work and life that is creating a problem nowadays?

My 2nd question to you
Do you see that every revolution in every ?poque change was stimulated by movements against this tendency and as result only self awareness was increased and oedipal complex culture strengthened (you can cleary see this by more and more depersonalization and feeling vanishing attitude of people to people as time pass for last centuries), as I have already written our culture is developing self consciousness by more and more painful failures as for example wars are ? each next is more cruel and more painful.

My 3rd question to you
How those who see all this mess can break this tendency if mostly they don't have any resources to do so, and nowadays only resources have a possibility to provide change. How can you perform a change without ownership?
To me there are the rules self preserving of oedipal culture status quo:

1. If you want to change a direction of that culture, to be heard, to have a potency for a change you must rule
2. to rule you must conquer and become owner
3. but then you are already driving that culture development
and the loop is closed
This is mostly according to me recipe for neverending split between mind and body in human being raised in our culture.

Theoretically politicians can perform a change against oedipal culture, they can be owners of the resources without owning them (but they are only humans, being in god position is very tempting for most of the politicians) ? that is one of the many reasons why politics involves so many emotions of ordinary people, in democracy, voting is sometimes unconscious desire and expression of heart, that on outside presents itself as a hope for a change that we can clearly see in last US elections. Is Obama, a well described by Reich, a modern politician of change? ? We will see.

I know many beautiful exceptions from all of this, very well ilustrated to me on example of Jesus from Nazareth. He was a man without any resources that was able to confront with oedipal culture with a great success of his efforts, of course oedipal culture kills everything that stands against its fundaments, but in this case that was so obvious that oedipal culture kills love and all values that stands behind love. Culture driven by fear as everything driven by fear is a love (life) killer. That you see in nowadays work activity of many people ? their work is driven by culture that they live in, no more, no less.

Best regards,

Rafal

[rafalpastuszek]

Dear Sushil_yadav

Now I can see surface for discussion, now I have a feeling we can start discussion, I agree with "food, shelter and clothing".

I will replay soon on your post as you are touching very important strings so let's discuss what to do.
Best regards,
Rafal

[sushil_yadav]

rafalpastuszek,


Work is a justified activity as long as it is done to provide food, shelter and clothing for society.

Work becomes overwork, unnecessary work and destructive work when it is done to produce consumer goods.

Industrial society has destroyed necessary things for making unnecessary things.

Industrial society has destroyed animals, trees, air, water and land for making consumer goods.

The situation is crystal clear. The logic is simple and very obvious.

Our planet is just 40,000 km in circumference.

If we destroy ecosystems for food, clothing and shelter the ecosystems will last longer.

If we destroy ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter plus thousands of consumer goods the ecosystems will get destroyed much sooner [ Most of the ecosystems have already been destroyed to a great extent - we are heading towards complete destruction within the next two decades]

sushil_yadav

PowerSwitch
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[rafalpastuszek]

Sushil_yadav,

You didn't discuss my questions to you that I have asked in my reply to your post. I do not like also manipulation that you did on some of my statements by taking them out of original context.

I do not want to repeat myself.
I have no idea maybe what you call work, my definition of work was in my post. But lets approach work as natural life characteristics as instinctual as breathing is.

Life has special tendency, since it begins it goes actively towards gathering energy from surrounding objects towards energy concentration, so exactly opposite to passive attitude to energy of unlived objects (their energy dissipate until not provided from external sources, as earth energy will dissipate if not sun, as sun energy dissipates and so on) ? I should finish on that statement as work is simply gathering energy toward more concentrated form, from surrounding objects, as alive human being can work then it is his life expression, as alive tiger cannot work then it can not be his life expression, blaming people for work is like blaming them for being human beings. In this way you can say that work is a healthy projection of human being existence on external environment is a projection of his life process itself ? life is gathering energy from surrounding objects into the concentrated form of organism and work is a gathering energy from surrounding objects into concentrated form as work end product is (in this way human being is following god by being a creator, but as not perfect as god humans can create everything but life) ? I will risk a statement if you love life you must love work as in both cases effect is creation.

Life goes towards expression of itself as fully as possible (I call it reaching for as full self expression as possible) by transfering thru organism unit as much energy as possible (actually our modern western culture illnesses like addictions also workaholics activity, allows to dissipate live energy so to follow unalive object nature, because inability to stay on high energy level as intensity of denied feelings is then unbearable for certain person but this is ill condition not normal and has nothing in common with work), and believe me it is hard work for every alive object and literally heavy work for every reaching for fulfillment human being, but if not then life will never be able to exist.

Life force (I call it love energy) leads towards as high as possible energy concentration for creating alive organism, to make possible as fulfilling life expression let's say love expression as possible. Life is using material objects to transfer its energy so is bounded unavoidably to materials objects nature as is lack of possibility to resist structural destruction as time pass - solution of life for that nature of material objects is possibility of transferring live energy by having a babies. Considering that , our concentration of energy gathered by work is only extension of natural instinct of alive organism ? transfer for and prepare as much as you can for your kids for their future development and full self expression. In this way entire process of gathering energy by alive object is not interrupted by death but is further developed and transferred. Simply speaking work leading to concentration of energy as for example entire work done on development of computer is creating concentration of energy as concentrated knowledge about computer (that you must use to read those posts) is, is natural instinctual process leaded by life and leading to life energy expression, so to me it is love expression, you can call it also passion in work leading to fulfillment.

That expression can be hijacked by ego being in fear that fight against its impotence towards unavoidable destruction of materials objects (body death) and in its entire illusion tries to RULE upon as much energy as possible to express its POWER denying its unavoidable destruction, this is what I call fear of life expression as you see, it is pervasive expression guided by insanity and illusion of ego as its destruction is unavoidable when time pass despite how much energy it will gather. By the way as you can see in that sick process work of others is usually used and abused ? easily you can see that on manipulations done on economy markets ? the biggest gain has the one who is able to manipulate capital and potential gathered previously by generations of honest working people ? and that capital guided by sick of Power ego is creating environmental destruction, but I will never call it working, actually I will call it stealing a work end products. Imagine country that by law guarantees lack of manipulation in economy system, takes care about environment and is focused on minorities needs and some more conditions ? how you can then develop toxic work if it is forbidden by law ? any person that likes to provide then toxic work on the market as money manipulation is as destructive for environment work is and as unification of the market by destroying minorities needs and origin is then is breaking the law. It is utopia but it gives very clear vision that focusing on power, income only, we are breaking nature of real work and we are speaking about pervasive expression of real work.

Energy balance equation result (Energy input to object = Energy ouput from object = 0 as amount of Energy is constant), describing amount of energy that I took from food and air and environment and I transferred thru my body activities back to the environment will be exactly the same as for a stone that is laying in the front of my house garden ? the difference is I was alive in the meantime and I was obeying life-force rules reaching for fulfillment in my life guided by pleasure principle. I can percept fulfillment and joy, I can suffer and be happy depends what life brings. And nature is not paying for this, sun is a star that is funding energy for that activities, that energy is transferred thru ecosystems allowing to maintain life on constantly higher energetic level. So why should I be like a stone in my activity? It will not lead to fulfillment in my life, If I was a stone I would be like a stone fulfilled being unlived, if I was like a tiger I would be like a tiger in my behavior and I will not be working but I am human being and to find fulfillment in life I must work, to provide joy and fun to my child side I must be adult and responsible in my attitude to life otherwise there is no self love in my, no loving parent in me, so how it can be to others?

Real work as it is instinctual love expression despite if it is work of our skeleton muscles or minds (and be careful in distinguishing as the best power elements for brain functioning are produced in muscles during their physical activity ? that is in my opinion one of the most powerful clearing brain mechanisms delivered by bioenergetics exercises, together with your muscles your brain is starting to be alive, together with more alived muscles of your body your brain recievies more intensive power input for functioning so for example for translating into will power voice of the body) is leading to energy rise and is consistent with entire alive nature tendency. Alive organism can not stop its activity until is death, its body is working non stop, our mind when guided by love is simply expressing that simple characteristics of alive objects and is active (however as every organ our mind needs rest from time to time which means low activity NOT no activity as heart and other organs are always active till alive, and this is reached when sleeping, meditating?).

Both body and mind hard work can bring fulfillment followed by pleasure and joy so is aligned with life driving forces as pleasure and joy are. Alexander Lowen monumental work is the best example.

[sushil_yadav]

Dear Sushil_yadav,

Knowing a failure is also a work, mental and physical.


Described in your post working is more similar to workaholics activity, that is compulsive work, That kind of work (compulsive) is one of almost endless ways to perform addiction, that supports dissipation of our live energy, due to the fear, in compulsive, destructive cycle - more about that I have written in following post: http://www.lowenfoundation.org/lowenfor ... c.php?t=54

Then finally I would like to speak a little bit about practical approach:


Yes, as a human nation we have lost balance, but only supported by extensive mental work, that failure can be understood and situation rebalanced. I agree with you that modern human being is creating and developing nowadays tons of rubbish and waste, I fully agree with you that exploitation of our planet is horrible and passes every reasonable level, but this happens by people activities (?work?) performed due to fears and lack of self-consciousness, not due to work itself.

So the problem nowadays is not a mental work itself, the problem is that this work is very frequently done due to the fears. In my opinion every work should be done with love and passion to express love and passion which is our godlike side of human nature expression, otherwise that could be considered as fear expression in some religious called as a sin. Work can be performed also for a sake of future gratification considered as a fulfillment of a need. If reaching for fulfillment of a need was driven by love voice then that work is also expressing love.

indeed driving forces for work of modern citizens in western culture are mostly fears, expressed in illusion of buying fulfillment in life using money.

Together with civilization development we are uncovering more and more dark side of human being nature.

We are developing as a humans and also as civilization by suffering a failure and sometimes by understanding that failure, then failure has possibility to not reoccur. Most common unfortunately, we act as well on person level as on society level with fear, driven by past experience against reality, and then we provoke situations in our life, so also in the world, that creates even more painful failure experience, partialy in order to provide understanding of our trauma, so to provide energy that will provoke correct expression of denied in the past feelings, and partialy due to the fear itself. By going this way, one day we will be ready to experience death of life on our planet.

I don?t believe that there is or can be any official organization that can deal with western society mechanisms, consolidate humans experience and translate it to activities that will lead to better life of our civilization.

We cannot go for any official political approach. If we take into account how profitable nowadays is humans, full of fear, activity giving false identity
(see my response to Flowen: http://www.lowenfoundation.org/lowenfor ... .php?t=130), then simple any official approach to disassembly that would be treated as an enemy, with great NO of those, who, due to the fear don?t see any reason to change anything plus those ,who are making great money on that fears. Any official approach, any political approach will be destroyed by rules that are nowadays in official structures, because simply those structures are destroying self values by necessity of playing the game according to ego values.

I strongly believe that improvement of our existence on the Earth can be introduced more and more together with growing self-awareness, combined with body work and respect for body needs of our children. How to achieve that in details, is basically a subject for separate topic and as I can observe one of the biggest task for ALF. I hope we will not stop working upon this. In fact we have to start working even harder.

Kind regards,

rafalpastuszek,

I want to thank you for your post. I want to elaborate some points about "work".


Work has destroyed ecosystems.

Work has become a source of destruction in Industrial Society.

On a small planet whose circumference is just 40,000 km work has turned into overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work.

Most of the 3 billion people living in cities - 50% of world population - are engaged in overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work.

It is very important to understand the reasons for doing work.

Why do we work?

It is generally thought that people work because - they are smart, intelligent and hardworking. People work in order to feed themselves and their families.

Above reasons are totally wrong.

In the East sages had discovered thousands of years ago that people cannot stop working. People work because they cannot stop working.

Anyone who wants proof of this can try the following. Take leave from work for 10 days. Try to sleep continuously. Try to indulge in pleasure/ entertainment continuously. Try to relax continuously.

The energy generated by the food we eat forces us to work ceaselessly.

Energy = Energy[Physical Work] + Energy[Mental Work] + Energy[Suffering/ Subjective Experience]

All three energies on the right side are inversely proportional to one another.

When we do hard physical work or hard mental work or a combination of physical work and mental work almost all energy is used up in doing work.

When we stop physical work and mental work, the unused energy is experienced as suffering/ anxiety/ restlessness/ discomfort. This suffering is so intense - so unbearable - that most people cannot stop physical activity and mental activity simultaneously for even 2 minutes - they can stop work/activity only under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

There is no higher purpose behind work.

People do not work because they want to work.
People do not work for their family.
People do not work for their nation.
People do not work for any reason.

People work because they cannot stop working.

It does not matter what kind of work we do - whether it is physical work or any kind of mental work. As soon as we stop working we suffer from restlessness, anxiety, uneasiness and discomfort.

In Yoga and Meditation the goal is to stop Physical Activity and Mental Activity simultaneously - and then transform the subjective-experience of restlessness/ anxiety/ suffering into peace. This requires ability and years of effort. A large number of people in the east have tried to do this but very few have succeeded - maybe a few hundred or a few thousand in the entire history. Stopping work is not an option for most people living in this world.

Today 50% of world population - 3 billion people are living in cities. These people cannot do farming in cities. Most of the people living in cities are engaged in unnecessary work - making things, buying things and selling things - leading to an endless cycle of unnecessary and destructive work.

Our small planet which is only 40,000 km in circumference cannot sustain a city-based industrial society.

A city-based industrial society destroys necessary things for making unnecessary things.

A city-based industrial society destroys animals, trees, air, water and land for making consumer goods.

In a city-based industrial society work turns into overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work.

Such a society ends up destroying the ecosystems - the very things that have created and sustained life on earth.



sushil_yadav
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[rafalpastuszek]

Very interesting shushil_yavdev.
I agree with the issues, and problems that you're posing, but am not sure if I agree with your conclusions.

1- It is true that humans are only species that are overworked, but why? what are the underlying economic/psychological/sociological reasons? As we know we know we humans were not always overworked!
2- Work is inherently pleasurable, up to a point of course. This is obvious and does not require explanation.
3- We have evolved into this cursed species that has a brain, which enjoys certain intellectual work. True, that once an engineer designs something, he will not sit idle. He will try to improve it. But again only to a point. If the end game is the goal then it is not healthy, but if the process is enjoyable and the achievement is enjoyable, there is nothing inherently wrong with it. Technology is not fundamentally bad. It has bad uses!
4- I would argue that even even the existence of humans to such a large scale that we see today in the world is destroying the environment, even without technology. For instance we know that rice fields emit large amounts of methane which is a green house gas. Same is true in animal farming, pigs, and cows for example!

I suggest reading Reich's concept of work-democracy, as well as sexual life of savages by Malinowski, and Pleasure by Al Lowen.

This reminds of what I read in, I believe Reich's Character Analysis, in response to Freud's book Civilization and Its discontents, in which of course Freud discusses sublimation, and how through this process civilization has been created and enhanced! Reich says, if you sublimate your libido too much, they you start day dreaming, or fantasizing (I am sure all of us have experienced this at least during our teenage years)! In other words, you can sublimate only to a certain point, after that this process does not result in more productivity, and is indeed counter productive. Unless of course complete displacement of the impulse and emotion has occurred, which is itself pathologic. This is what I was trying to assert above.

I agree with your assessment of consumer culture that we live in, and will add more comments on it later, but for now suffice it to say, that this has to with this stage of capitalism that we live in. The postmodern stage, the stage that has to do with excess capacity in most sectors of the economy and the necessity of consumption, helped by advertisements, and marketing. In short products are converted to images that consumers identify with through ads etc, the images are then converted to commodities for consumers to buy. But more on this later.

Best,
Homayoun

Dear Homayoun,

Many thanks for your views on overactivity, consumerism, technology and environmental crisis. Overactivity by humans would not have mattered if our planet were 20 times, 50 times or 100 times bigger than its size. Our planet is very small - only 40,000 km in circumference. Human overactivity on such a tiny planet has led to destruction of all ecosystems - and decimation of all other species.


Intelligence Is A Curse.

This planet is on the verge of total destruction.

The cause of destruction is ? overactivity.
[Out of millions of species in this world the human-species is the only one that has indulged in overactivity]

The cause of overactivity is ? Intelligence.
[The environment would never have got destroyed if Man had been only as intelligent as animals]

Intelligence is a curse - a disease - a disability - an abnormality.

Intelligence is the biggest cause/ source of destruction in this world.

[In fact Intelligence is the only cause of destruction in this world other than natural causes]



Mental work is injurious to the mind and planet.

Life was never good in the past.

Life will never be good in future.

Life can never be good.


Suffering is a part of life - an inherent feature of life. Suffering can never be eliminated.

There is Physical suffering - There is Mental suffering.

In pre-industrial society there were physical diseases caused by virus and bacteria.
In modern society there are hundreds of lifestyle related physical diseases - Cancer, Stroke, Diabetes, Obesity, Multiple Organ Failures.


Mental suffering will always exist. It exists in agrarian society. It exists in industrial society. As soon as we stop working we experience mental suffering.

We avoid mental suffering by working ceaselessly.

There is no higher purpose behind work.

People do not work because they want to work.
People work because they cannot stop working.

The energy generated by the food we eat forces us to work ceaselessly.

Energy = Energy[Physical Work] + Energy[Mental Work] + Energy[Suffering/ Subjective Experience]

All three energies on the right side are inversely proportional to one another.

When we do hard physical work or hard mental work or a combination of physical work and mental work almost all energy is used up in doing work.

When we stop physical work and mental work the unused energy is experienced as suffering/ anxiety/ restlessness/ discomfort. This suffering is so intense - so unbearable - that most people cannot stop physical activity and mental activity simultaneously for even 2 minutes - they can stop work/activity only under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

People do not work because they want to work.
People do not work for their family.
People do not work for their nation.
People do not work for any reason.

People work because they cannot stop working.

It does not matter what kind of work we do - whether it is physical work or any kind of mental work. As soon as we stop working we suffer from restlessness, anxiety, uneasiness and discomfort.

[ In Yoga and Meditation the goal is to stop Physical Activity and Mental Activity simultaneously - and then transform the subjective-experience of restlessness/ anxiety/ suffering into peace. This requires ability and years of effort ]

For most people the choice is between physical and mental work.
The switch-over from physical work to mental work is disastrous for the planet.

Man can do the same physical work every day.
Man cannot do the same mental work every day.

When man used to do physical work ( farming and related activities ) he could do the same repetitive work day after day- generation after generation.

After the Industrial Revolution when man switched-over to mental work he began a never ending process of making new machines / things / products-- a process which can only end with the complete destruction of environment ( planet ).

When we make consumer goods we kill Animals/ Trees, Air/ Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. Industry kills Water. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted.

Industry/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.


Today 50% of world population - 3 bilion people are living in cities. The necessary work of growing/producing Food is being done outside cities - in villages and countryside. Most of the people living in cities are engaged in unnecessary work - making things, buying things and selling things. The switch-over from Physical work to Mental work/ Desk job has led to an endless cycle of unnecessary and destructive work.

When society switches over from physical work to mental work it starts making thousands of consumer goods. People start calling them necessities. They are not necessities at all - 90% of consumer goods that we see today did not exist 50 years ago.

Food, Water, Air, Little clothing, Little Shelter - these are necessities.

Close your nose and stop breathing for a few minutes - you will then know what necessity is.

Stop drinking water for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.

Stop eating food for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.

Today people are making thousands of consumer goods - not because they are necessities - but because they cannot stop making them. People cannot stop doing work - After switching over to mental work they will keep on making thousands of unnecessary consumer goods. Industrial Society is destroying necessary things[Animals,Trees,Air,Water and Land] for makng unnecessary things[Consumer Goods]. This is the reason why the switch-over from physical work to mental work is so destructive. This is the point of no-return - once this is crossed the destruction of Environment/ Nature is inevitable.

sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
ePhilosopher
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Dear Sushil_yadav

Knowing a failure is also a work, mental and physical.

I love your perception of the situation, I must agree with your ending comments, however I strongly disagree with pointing to intelligence, mental work as our misery causes. Our misery together with misery of our planet is always connected with fear expression, below my short point of view as a comment to your post.

Mental work by definition is something that human being due to his self-consciousness and his ego can do. We are born with this possibility, we are born with this "failure". Our nature failure, was well described in Fear of Life and is emphasized in many religious systems definitions. Self-consciousness makes us thinking and knowing so due to that "failure" we are not any more animals. We have eaten a forbidden fruit of knowledge, of self consciousness, so we have eaten also an engine for a mental fear, also we are born with possibility of choosing, we are born with free will ? we can choose good or evil. For me that is the biggest difference between human being and animals - we can choose evil or good, animals and rest of nature born in love stays in love simply determined to choose good. So we are God like in our possibility of perception and choice, but not exactly - our ego, in contradiction to God "possibilities", when in fear then partialy loosing ability of choice and has a tendency to betray love, heart, body, self and life and starts activities leaded by fear which are in contradiction to love. So in contradiction to God (and as a God I mean a being which is fearless by his choice), due to our ego fears, we cannot choose love in any desired moment and under any circumstances of life ? that is our human nature failure, misery and basic happiness obstacle, because we can be happy only if love has been chosen (so normally our free will gives us a dilemma: happiness or not). So simplifying, by having self-consciousness and ego we must suffer a trauma, due to the trauma we suffer fears that are almost removing our possibilities of choice, normally assured by free will. Ego fears are making us, mostly unconsciously, choosing evil, and then we cannot be happy, nor affected life around us.
According to me, you are speaking about mental work as a product of fear, the evidence of what we can see everywhere everyday. But in my opinion, if human being leave his fears then mental work can express love, and then it is NOT ANY MORE destructive for environment, then it is God like, consciously supporting nature not only by instinct but also by conscious support of that instinct.

Knowing a failure is also a mental work, without that mental work we will never be able to change some of the directions leaded by our "failure". As example, it is possible to say that bioenergetics was developed during mental (and phisical) work process, and goods that it brings to humans but also to the nature comes from simple fact that mental work done upon bioenergetics development was an expression of love and passion.
Described in your post MUST in working is more similar to workaholics activity, that is compulsive work, in order to use up, dissipate the energy that normally will drive denied feelings blocked due to the conflicts between frightened ego and body. That kind of work (compulsive) is one of almost endless ways to perform addiction, that supports dissipation of our live energy, due to the fear, in compulsive, destructive cycle - more about that I have written in following post: http://www.lowenfoundation.org/lowenfor ... c.php?t=54

Next, you say that our necessities are food, shelter, air and water (you forgot about space - for some animals in Europe it is sometimes more that 30square km), but these are only animal needs or lets say our body needs, and it is only part of human being natural needs (which due to lack of space and resources are nowadays in horrible shortage, that is fatal for millions, and that also drives our fears) due to simple fact that human being nature is only partially animal nature.

We are born as a human beings, the ones who can look up in the skies and ask about stars beauty, and that also is our nature, doesn?t matter how useless for nature, how destructive sometimes it can be in your opinion, how inconvenient and so on it is. If you deny that fact then it will no help to solve a problem of our nature. One of the biggest needs that human nature has and we can't help it, is expressed in our possibility of being consciously amazed by surrounding world, that every new born baby has expressing and that every loving adult person is experiencing, desire to know and to ask. Next very important human being need is the conscious perception of love feeling by eye, skin, voice? contact, next our basic need is to be a creative and useful part of society, and here creative is based upon mental process connected with physical activity.

Those, and many more, are our basic needs that we don't share with animals, and we are born with them as a human beings. Betrayal of our needs plus self-consciousness provides ego fears, then we are starting to have a problem but we can't help it. Basic needs of human beings mind, even if lost during meditation or during extensive breathing sessions or using special mental attitude by going back to roots of our existence, or by extracting from mind, or by focusing only on our animal part of nature and so on?. are still existing and denying that needs is denying that we are human beings, is denying a reality (see also my post about loosing connection with reality http://www.lowenfoundation.com/lowenfor ... light=#202). Denying reality gives illusion and life in illusion doesn?t change or improve any situation, especially as fatal as we have now in the world.

Then finally I would like to speak a little bit about practical approach:

We cannot be purely animals and asking only for fulfillment our body needs is not enough.
We cannot go back to past to be underdeveloped as civilization at least by our conscious choice because then we will always suffer a question what to choose and due to the individuality of needs and perception only tyranny is the answer then.
We cannot turn off our ego until serious brain damage occurs or until special circumstances removing consciousness occurs, but then we are no more a human being nor animal.
We can not also be completely free from fear of life, that has its origin in our nature "failure" by having self-consciusness ? even extensive psychotherapy will not remove that problem, will only provide tools for ego to deal with our fears on every day basis, but anyway from time to time we have to suffer ego fears - this is our nature and also, in my opinion, surce of original sin in christian religion, our fear as a source of sin is born together with us.
We cannot change current approach of people to life without mental and physical work upon that approach.
We cannot stop our destructive behavior without knowing and understanding that it is destructive which is also huge mental work to be done but also physical considering that destructive is placed in split between mind and body.

Yes, as a human nation we have lost balance, but only supported by extensive mental work, that failure can be understood and situation rebalanced. I agree with you that modern human being is crating and developing nowadays tons of rubbish and waste, I fully agree with you that exploitation of our planet is horrible and passes every reasonable level, but this happens by people activities (?work?) performed due to fears and lack of self-consciousness, not due to work itself.

As Reich wrote, life was created by love and work so that should lead a life.
Our planet, Earth has almost endless source of power which is our beautiful star - Sun radiation. That energy is collected on Earth by ecosystems, amount of that energy provided by Sun per day is approximately 27 thousands times bigger than our humans daily usage needs. Modern sophisticated engineering has huge task to fulfill modern humans needs, that is, to use optimally our energy and resources by providing on outcome less waste than in income, and protect ecosystems by supporting their existence and development. Above is possible due to the fact that Earth energy is constantly raising due to Sun activity, however balance in ecosystem maintaining this energy is necessary to provide peaceful growth. That is possible only by huge leaded by love and passion mental work, that mental work can be used to pay for our nature failure to reestablish friendship, loving connection between humans and nature. That connection is parallel to another connection: human mind - body connection and reestablishing of loving connection between our ego and our animal part is like healing a split between humans and nature, as long as ego suffer so intensive fears of life, reestablishing of connection is of course not possible, nor on person level (qualitatively) nor on society level (quantitatively).

So the problem nowadays is not a mental work itself, the problem is that this work is very frequently done due to the fears. In my opinion every work should be done with love and passion to express love and passion which is our godlike side of human nature expression, otherwise that could be considered as fear expression in some religious called as a sin. Work can be performed also for a sake of future gratification considered as a fulfillment of a need. If reaching for fulfillment of a need was driven by love voice then that work is also expressing love.

Above statements about love and passion as a driving force for work sounds nowadays maybe idealistic, naive and considering existence of the split between body and ego, even unrealistic and are in contradiction to your comments about people working and living in cities - indeed driving forces for work of modern citizens in western culture are mostly fears, expressed in illusion of buying fulfillment in life using money. However there is a lot of exceptions from that negative trends and still a lot of place for improvement, for more passion and love in work. Future development of our love guided physical and mental creativity called work is possible only if we remove our fears of life from daily operating manners.

As mentioned in A.L. book Joy, the temple of self is based on self awareness, self-expression, and self-possession. All those three elements if we translate onto let?s say U.S or western world society then we have perfect fear recipe for mass:
? limited self expression due to self-castrating culture (first fear shadow area)
- lack of self awareness due to body principles total give up and constant counter expression of body energy using pervasive or exhausting ways (2nd fear shadow area)
- system assuring no self-possession due to oral and oedipal period needs mistreat and transference of those needs on the money and power, finally gained by few, so leaving all the rest in unfulfilled ilusion state (3rd fear shadow area).

All this 3 areas are powerful due to original life energy standing behind this inactive in life parts of self, which provokes huge tension, anger and in effect of exposure to culture, denied guilt. I have read somewhere nice philosophical statement: God has created humans to experience his unknown side of nature ? indeed, if it was true then approach was fully successful. Together with civilization development we are uncovering more and more dark side of human being nature. There is however counteract experience ? the more we suffer due to our failure the more experienced we are in possibility of understanding and overtaking our trauma. Ego is developing in two directions, ego is skilled in managing trauma but also, if trauma is uncovered, understood and re-experienced with possibility of another response, then ego can be skilled in being brave against it ? why? Because it brings back lost in past happiness - that freedom from misery is the only reason to take a pill of truth. I believe that even if therapy is not applied, our natural forces wants to be unchained from past traumas and in effect we are looking for events in our life that have potential to heel our past experience by experiencing and understanding current experience, and thanks to it, also past experience, then possibility of expression of denied feelings is removing trauma. Conditions for that cycle are well described in books and well known for many therapists?

but what I am trying to say is:

We are developing as a humans and also as civilization by suffering a failure and sometimes by understanding that failure, then failure has possibility to not reoccur. Most common unfortunately, we act as well on person level as on society level with fear, driven by past experience against reality, and then we provoke situations in our life, so also in the world, that creates even more painful failure experience, partialy in order to provide understanding of our trauma, so to provide energy that will provoke correct expression of denied in the past feelings, and partialy due to the fear itself. By going this way, one day we will be ready to experience death of life on our planet.

I believe that development of our self-consciousness is the only rescue from described trend, and that is huge mental and physical work upon body-mind split to be done. That work each of us can do everyday, just by overtaking fears, accepting a failures of ego, supporting the healing process of experienced mind-body connection break, by going with this all experience to his everyday contacts and activities, just as a person who is standing with his life experience open to people and surrounding enviroment.

I don?t believe that there is or can be any official organization that can deal with western society mechanisms, consolidate humans experience and translate it to activities that will lead to better life of our civilization. In my opinion, consolidation of that experience is possible only on lowest level, during human-human contacts. This is like spreading good news. It stays in society and makes larger and growing group of people that lives more consciously and just more according to nature. That grow is supported by organizations like ALF and I think that kind of organizations activity plus conscious people everyday activity, it is all we can do right now. Sounds poor but it isn?t.

We cannot go for any official political approach. If we take into account how profitable nowadays is humans, full of fear, activity giving false identity
(see my response to Flowen: http://www.lowenfoundation.org/lowenfor ... .php?t=130), then simple any official approach to disassembly that would be treated as an enemy, with great NO of those, who, due to the fear don?t see any reason to change anything plus those ,who are making great money on that fears. Any official approach, any political approach will be destroyed by rules that are nowadays in official structures, because simply those structures are destroying self values by necessity of playing the game according to ego values. Self when betrayed then is reaching for aggression to reestablish loving connection, Ego in the same situation deepened in fears expressed by current official structures is reaching for diplomacy and compromise, simply betraying self. That is why I am not any more interested in politics, I don?t believe it can give any help, I believe in compromise but I cannot see any right now, I am still open for surprise however. Change, comes from feet, from unchained energy not from head decision. Head admits reality, when head is creating then we are speaking about art, science or illusion but not about life process.

Whatever has to be done looks like misery fight of David with Goliat, like fight of 3 years old boy with his father, like fight of 3 months old baby with lack of presence of his mother (I live in Belgium now, 50% of 3-6 months old babies are sent to kindergarten in Belgium for 8 hours a day). But David, 3 years old boy, 3 months old baby has one huge reason to fight ? they fight for love, for truth and for sense of life, for life energy right to be expressed. Not fighting is losing a reason for life, the one who is trying is the one who is asking about stars beauty, is the one who is trying to release his potential so to be happy (famillar feeling to me, but not transference).

I strongly believe that improvement of our existence on the Earth can be introduced more and more together with growing self-awareness, combined with body work and respect for body needs of our children. How to achieve that in details, is basically a subject for separate topic and as I can observe one of the biggest task for ALF. I hope we will not stop working upon this. In fact we have to start working even harder.

Kind regards,

[sushil_yadav]

Very interesting shushil_yavdev.
I agree with the issues, and problems that you're posing, but am not sure if I agree with your conclusions.

1- It is true that humans are only species that are overworked, but why? what are the underlying economic/psychological/sociological reasons? As we know we know we humans were not always overworked!
2- Work is inherently pleasurable, up to a point of course. This is obvious and does not require explanation.
3- We have evolved into this cursed species that has a brain, which enjoys certain intellectual work. True, that once an engineer designs something, he will not sit idle. He will try to improve it. But again only to a point. If the end game is the goal then it is not healthy, but if the process is enjoyable and the achievement is enjoyable, there is nothing inherently wrong with it. Technology is not fundamentally bad. It has bad uses!
4- I would argue that even even the existence of humans to such a large scale that we see today in the world is destroying the environment, even without technology. For instance we know that rice fields emit large amounts of methane which is a green house gas. Same is true in animal farming, pigs, and cows for example!

I suggest reading Reich's concept of work-democracy, as well as sexual life of savages by Malinowski, and Pleasure by Al Lowen.

This reminds of what I read in, I believe Reich's Character Analysis, in response to Freud's book Civilization and Its discontents, in which of course Freud discusses sublimation, and how through this process civilization has been created and enhanced! Reich says, if you sublimate your libido too much, they you start day dreaming, or fantasizing (I am sure all of us have experienced this at least during our teenage years)! In other words, you can sublimate only to a certain point, after that this process does not result in more productivity, and is indeed counter productive. Unless of course complete displacement of the impulse and emotion has occurred, which is itself pathologic. This is what I was trying to assert above.

I agree with your assessment of consumer culture that we live in, and will add more comments on it later, but for now suffice it to say, that this has to with this stage of capitalism that we live in. The postmodern stage, the stage that has to do with excess capacity in most sectors of the economy and the necessity of consumption, helped by advertisements, and marketing. In short products are converted to images that consumers identify with through ads etc, the images are then converted to commodities for consumers to buy. But more on this later.

Best,
Homayoun

Dear Homayoun,

Many thanks for your views on overactivity, consumerism, technology and environmental crisis. Overactivity by humans would not have mattered if our planet were 20 times, 50 times or 100 times bigger than its size. Our planet is very small - only 40,000 km in circumference. Human overactivity on such a tiny planet has led to destruction of all ecosystems - and decimation of all other species.


Intelligence Is A Curse.

This planet is on the verge of total destruction.

The cause of destruction is ? overactivity.
[Out of millions of species in this world the human-species is the only one that has indulged in overactivity]

The cause of overactivity is ? Intelligence.
[The environment would never have got destroyed if Man had been only as intelligent as animals]

Intelligence is a curse - a disease - a disability - an abnormality.

Intelligence is the biggest cause/ source of destruction in this world.

[In fact Intelligence is the only cause of destruction in this world other than natural causes]



Mental work is injurious to the mind and planet.

Life was never good in the past.

Life will never be good in future.

Life can never be good.


Suffering is a part of life - an inherent feature of life. Suffering can never be eliminated.

There is Physical suffering - There is Mental suffering.

In pre-industrial society there were physical diseases caused by virus and bacteria.
In modern society there are hundreds of lifestyle related physical diseases - Cancer, Stroke, Diabetes, Obesity, Multiple Organ Failures.


Mental suffering will always exist. It exists in agrarian society. It exists in industrial society. As soon as we stop working we experience mental suffering.

We avoid mental suffering by working ceaselessly.

There is no higher purpose behind work.

People do not work because they want to work.
People work because they cannot stop working.

The energy generated by the food we eat forces us to work ceaselessly.

Energy = Energy[Physical Work] + Energy[Mental Work] + Energy[Suffering/ Subjective Experience]

All three energies on the right side are inversely proportional to one another.

When we do hard physical work or hard mental work or a combination of physical work and mental work almost all energy is used up in doing work.

When we stop physical work and mental work the unused energy is experienced as suffering/ anxiety/ restlessness/ discomfort. This suffering is so intense - so unbearable - that most people cannot stop physical activity and mental activity simultaneously for even 2 minutes - they can stop work/activity only under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

People do not work because they want to work.
People do not work for their family.
People do not work for their nation.
People do not work for any reason.

People work because they cannot stop working.

It does not matter what kind of work we do - whether it is physical work or any kind of mental work. As soon as we stop working we suffer from restlessness, anxiety, uneasiness and discomfort.

[ In Yoga and Meditation the goal is to stop Physical Activity and Mental Activity simultaneously - and then transform the subjective-experience of restlessness/ anxiety/ suffering into peace. This requires ability and years of effort ]

For most people the choice is between physical and mental work.
The switch-over from physical work to mental work is disastrous for the planet.

Man can do the same physical work every day.
Man cannot do the same mental work every day.

When man used to do physical work ( farming and related activities ) he could do the same repetitive work day after day- generation after generation.

After the Industrial Revolution when man switched-over to mental work he began a never ending process of making new machines / things / products-- a process which can only end with the complete destruction of environment ( planet ).

When we make consumer goods we kill Animals/ Trees, Air/ Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. Industry kills Water. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted.

Industry/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.


Today 50% of world population - 3 bilion people are living in cities. The necessary work of growing/producing Food is being done outside cities - in villages and countryside. Most of the people living in cities are engaged in unnecessary work - making things, buying things and selling things. The switch-over from Physical work to Mental work/ Desk job has led to an endless cycle of unnecessary and destructive work.

When society switches over from physical work to mental work it starts making thousands of consumer goods. People start calling them necessities. They are not necessities at all - 90% of consumer goods that we see today did not exist 50 years ago.

Food, Water, Air, Little clothing, Little Shelter - these are necessities.

Close your nose and stop breathing for a few minutes - you will then know what necessity is.

Stop drinking water for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.

Stop eating food for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.

Today people are making thousands of consumer goods - not because they are necessities - but because they cannot stop making them. People cannot stop doing work - After switching over to mental work they will keep on making thousands of unnecessary consumer goods. Industrial Society is destroying necessary things[Animals,Trees,Air,Water and Land] for makng unnecessary things[Consumer Goods]. This is the reason why the switch-over from physical work to mental work is so destructive. This is the point of no-return - once this is crossed the destruction of Environment/ Nature is inevitable.

sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
ePhilosopher
Corrupt
ForeignPolicy

[hsa0]

Very interesting shushil_yavdev.
I agree with the issues, and problems that you're posing, but am not sure if I agree with your conclusions.

1- It is true that humans are only species that are overworked, but why? what are the underlying economic/psychological/sociological reasons? As we know we know we humans were not always overworked!
2- Work is inherently pleasurable, up to a point of course. This is obvious and does not require explanation.
3- We have evolved into this cursed species that has a brain, which enjoys certain intellectual work. True, that once an engineer designs something, he will not sit idle. He will try to improve it. But again only to a point. If the end game is the goal then it is not healthy, but if the process is enjoyable and the achievement is enjoyable, there is nothing inherently wrong with it. Technology is not fundamentally bad. It has bad uses!
4- I would argue that even even the existence of humans to such a large scale that we see today in the world is destroying the environment, even without technology. For instance we know that rice fields emit large amounts of methane which is a green house gas. Same is true in animal farming, pigs, and cows for example!

I suggest reading Reich's concept of work-democracy, as well as sexual life of savages by Malinowski, and Pleasure by Al Lowen.

This reminds of what I read in, I believe Reich's Character Analysis, in response to Freud's book Civilization and Its discontents, in which of course Freud discusses sublimation, and how through this process civilization has been created and enhanced! Reich says, if you sublimate your libido too much, they you start day dreaming, or fantasizing (I am sure all of us have experienced this at least during our teenage years)! In other words, you can sublimate only to a certain point, after that this process does not result in more productivity, and is indeed counter productive. Unless of course complete displacement of the impulse and emotion has occurred, which is itself pathologic. This is what I was trying to assert above.

I agree with your assessment of consumer culture that we live in, and will add more comments on it later, but for now suffice it to say, that this has to with this stage of capitalism that we live in. The postmodern stage, the stage that has to do with excess capacity in most sectors of the economy and the necessity of consumption, helped by advertisements, and marketing. In short products are converted to images that consumers identify with through ads etc, the images are then converted to commodities for consumers to buy. But more on this later.

Best,
Homayoun

[Flowen]

sushil_yadav

I very much appreciate your keeping our discussion board on your radar screen. I find your comments thought provoking and broadly agreeable to my thinking. I also like your mathematical take on some of these issues. I would think they would make for interesting experiments/results. However, I suspect the results would not be supportive of the interests of the Status Quo.

Three comments:

My dad, Dr. Al Lowen, was very clear that over-stimulation and increasing over-stimulation has been the fundamental problem this culture faces. Of course, it is also what the Status Quo depends on to preserve and enhance the status quo. I believe this is the same phenomenon that you generally refer to as "fast..." and is certainly responsible for the over-consumerism that is considered normal and even sought after. And it is the root cause of many of our culture's ills, stemming from behaviour, actions, and bad decisions that are made [by us all] from places of fear and greed, using the logic and rationality of a dis-associated [from the body] mind to justify and sell anything.

Second. Bioenergetic Analysis, and we like to think this ALF website, is unique in offering a rigorous body-centric, yet integrated, approach to psychotherapy, but also importantly, to health and well-being. Developed by Al Lowen, Bioenergetic Analysis is a direct off-shoot of the work of Wilhelm Reich, my dad's teacher, therapist, and mentor during the 1940s in NYC. BA has a well developed understanding of feelings, energy flows, and emotions within the body. It is in effect the science of the subjective body.
In BA, no such distinction is made between easy and difficult emotions. In this culture, it would be fair to say that all of us have difficulties in our emotional lives in one form or another, and often those who deny emotional difficulties end up with some physical malady that is probably not random or genetic. In BA we value a wide range of emotional expression that is natural, graceful, and spontaneous...appropriateness necessarily follows and is not an issue. While you refer to anger, lust, and fear, as easy emotions,...a result of our fast society, I do not see it so simply. For example, anger and fear are impossible for some people to feel; others with suppressed rage become violently angry over nothing. In BA we are concerned with the natural feelings and emotions with which we are all endowed; unfortunately, and increasingly so, this culture is extremely child-negligent (if not hostile), only a few achieve adulthood without having their feelings and emotional lives twisted, denied, or crushed. This, in my view, has resulted in a crazy-is-normal culture where people have retreated from their body feelings and emotions to the sanctity of their heads, where ego values of power, wealth, and status rein. Those that have retreated furthest have achieved the highest levels of power, etc. That's not good.
Not to say there is no emotional life; as said earlier it is much over-stimulated; but the expressions of emotions are without compassions, or empathy, or in short, feelings. They serve to enhance the security of the ego, while achieving a necessary energy discharge. Too often it is not natural, graceful, or spontaneous, and not appropriate. At all levels.

Third. Whether my take or your take, what are we going to do about it?

[sushil_yadav]

thank you for your well written comments, I fear and also know that it takes a lot of body mind work to even begin to feel the life processes. Until people meditate and feel themselves, they do not feel the pain of their destructive ways. If they , as Dr. Lowen , a man who taught many of us to feel intensely the love and passion of life, do not breathe deeply and fully,and feel the energetic connection of the feet to the ground, will be destructive to life and relationships. They will abuse and act in a destructive way toward their man or woman and their children. Child abuse is still accepted just as beating a dog or invading a country and starting a war is accepted. Pro - life is really not beating the daylights out of the children, wife , dog or any living creature of god.Can a destructive society stop its own destruction and its destruction of others? It appears ever too certainly, total destruction is the political mission of Greed Oil and power. Rome had to fall into its own ashes.

roy wilson,

Thanks for your comment.

What you have written about Dr. Lowen and breath/ breathing is very true. The subjective state of our mind is related to the rate and pattern of breathing. In the East, saints and sages had discovered thousands of years ago that we find peace and happiness when we learn to slow down our breathing rate. The methods and techniques of yoga and meditation were developed to achieve peaceful states of mind.

In every field there is easy work/activity and difficult work/activity.

In mathematics there is easy mathematics and difficult mathematics. Everyone can add 2+4 within microseconds. A PhD level problem of mathematics would take hours [or more] to solve - and that too only by someone who has spent 20 - 25 years learning mathematics upto PhD level.

Same way in the field of emotions there are easy emotions and difficult emotions. Easy emotions are evoked within nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds - anger, lust, fear, pleasure, entertainment and excitement are some examples. These emotions are associated with fast breathing and heart-rate. These emotions don"t require gaps between thinking to evoke, intensify and sustain. These are the emotions that can be found everywhere in today's fast society.

Then there are difficult emotions - which require ability and years of effort to develop - emotions associated with pain, compassion and peaceful states of mind are some examples. These emotions are associated with slow breathing and heart-rate. These emotions require freezing of thought - freezing of visuals and words - huge amounts of gaps between thinking - to evoke, intensify and sustain.

[Please note :
Fast emotions =emotions associated with fast visuals/fast words/fast breathing/fast heart-rate.
Slow emotions=emotions associated with slow visuals/slow words/slow breathing/slow heart-rate.
Rate of thinking=number of visuals/words processed per minute.
Gaps between thinking =gaps between visuals/ words/ sentences.]

sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
ePhilosopher
Corrupt
ForeignPolicy

[roy wilson]

thank you for your well written comments, I fear and also know that it takes a lot of body mind work to even begin to feel the life processes. Until people meditate and feel themselves, they do not feel the pain of their destructive ways. If they , as Dr. Lowen , a man who taught many of us to feel intensely the love and passion of life, do not breathe deeply and fully,and feel the energetic connection of the feet to the ground, will be destructive to life and relationships. They will abuse and act in a destructive way toward their man or woman and their children. Child abuse is still accepted just as beating a dog or invading a country and starting a war is accepted. Pro - life is really not beating the daylights out of the children, wife , dog or any living creature of god.Can a destructive society stop its own destruction and its destruction of others? It appears ever too certainly, total destruction is the political mission of Greed Oil and power. Rome had to fall into its own ashes.